Two journalists meet to share stories over a Zoom link. One is Welsh and unable to get into Gaza. The other is Palestinian and unable to get out.

As they talk, a very personal history of the Palestinian Nakba is narrated, from the expulsions of 1948 to the killing streets and tent cities of 2024.

A generation ago the journalist’s mothers escaped two different catastrophes — the Holocaust in 1939-45 and the violent expulsion of Palestinians in 1948. We hear remarkable connections in the stories. Then their talk reaches a most unexpected question:

Is coexistence possible?

So this meeting becomes an exchange of impossible hopes in the ashes of war and genocide.

How are your relations with the Arabs?

Strive to live in peace and friendship with the Arabs.

It is sure to be a very important matter!

Mike Joseph’s grandfather, writing in 1935